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Conversations from the other side of success.
I've spent a lot of my life around people trying to build something. Companies, careers, families, creative lives, businesses, identities, and versions of themselves they hoped would finally feel like enough. I've spent enough time doing it myself to know that building the life you wanted doesn't automatically teach you how to live inside it.
That's where this podcast lives. Not in the polished version of success, but in everything happening underneath it. Childhood, trauma, healing, therapy, marriage, parenting, family, money, work, entrepreneurship, ambition, failure, identity, and starting over. But I don't want to turn those things into lessons. I want to stay with the story. I want to hear what actually happened, what someone was thinking before they said it out loud, what changed, what didn't, what still hurts, and what's funny now that wasn't funny then.
Sometimes a conversation takes us somewhere unexpected. Sometimes someone tells me something I've never heard before. Sometimes I recognize a part of myself in somebody else's story. And sometimes the most important thing that happens is simply realizing that I'm not the only person who has ever thought this way. That's the conversation.
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Is It Just Me?
Have you ever looked at your life and quietly wondered, “Is it just me?” Why do I still think about things that happened when I was a kid? Why doesn't success feel the way I thought it would? Why can becoming a parent bring up parts of yourself you thought you'd already dealt with? Why can you have so much of what you worked for and still feel like something is missing?
Maybe you've wondered why healing is so much messier than people make it sound, or why we spend so much time trying to look like everything is okay when it isn't. Maybe you've had moments where you looked around at your own life and realized you were still carrying things you thought you'd left behind.
I don't always have the answers. I'm not sure anyone does.
But I keep having the questions.
And that's where the conversations begin.
About The Host
I'm Zebulon Thomas.
I'm a filmmaker, cinematographer, creative strategist, entrepreneur, husband, father, and the person sitting behind the microphone trying to make sense of some of the things life has handed me. For nearly two decades, I've spent my life making things for other people — commercials, stories, brands, productions, ideas — and I've spent a lot of time around ambition and success. I learned how to keep moving, how to build things, how to solve problems, and how to make something look finished even when the process behind it was anything but.
Then I started paying more attention to what was happening underneath all of that. The things we carry from childhood. The ways success can change us. The things marriage reveals. What becoming a father brings back. The parts of ourselves we thought we'd already dealt with. The things therapy makes impossible to ignore. I realized that the things we build don't necessarily fix the things we carry.
So I started recording. Not because I figured it all out, but because I hadn't. The Podcast In The Rough is what happens when I take the things I'm thinking about, put them on the table, and invite someone else into the room. Sometimes that's me. Sometimes it's a guest. Sometimes it's a story from twenty years ago. Sometimes it's something that happened yesterday. We start with whatever is real and see where it takes us.
Support The Show
The Podcast In The Rough is an independent podcast built one conversation at a time.
If something you hear here makes you think, laugh, question something, remember something, or simply realize you're not the only one, that's why I keep making it.
If you'd like to help keep the microphone on, you can support the show.
Your support helps cover the time, equipment, production and work that goes into keeping these conversations going.
You can also support the podcast simply by subscribing, sharing an episode, leaving a review, or sending an episode to someone who might need the conversation.
What Are You Thinking About?
Sometimes an episode starts with a guest. Sometimes it starts with something that happened to me. And sometimes it starts with a question I can't stop thinking about. Why does success sometimes feel empty after you finally get there? Why can something that happened when you were eight still affect the person you are at forty? Why can becoming a parent make you think about your own childhood differently? Why do we keep chasing things we're not even sure we want anymore?
I don't necessarily want the answer. I want to follow the question. I want to see where it leads, who it connects me to, and what happens when I put it into a room with another person's experience. So if there's something you've been thinking about, wondering about, arguing with yourself about, or simply trying to understand, send it to me. Maybe it becomes an episode. Maybe it becomes a conversation with someone else. Maybe it simply starts something. That's how this works.
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